March 24 – Chicago Thought 8 Was A Cardinal Number?

People like things they can depend on. And in the 1970’s, you could depend on the jazz-rock combo Chicago for a couple of things – putting out an album per year and being able to know which album it was in their discography, since each was titled for the number of release it was. So, predictably on this day in 1975, a year and two weeks after their VII album, they were back with Chicago VIII. Some have suggested maybe being less predictable might have helped…as might a little more time, since as allmusic put it, on this one they sounded “road-weary and running low on steam.”

While the previous album was somewhat daring, being a double album with much of the first disc being instrumental jazz, for this one they decided to put out a much more straight-forward set. Ten songs, just under 40 minutes, pretty much consistently pop/soft rock tunes. The most surprising thing about it may have been the packaging. The cover had the usual band logo, but set against an “embroidered” bird image, which looks a great deal like the symbol for the St. Louis Cardinals (the arch-rival team of Chicago’s favorite sons, the Cubs). As well, the original LP included a poster and T-shirt iron-on of the band for added value.

The added value might have been needed as VIII is seldom noted as being one of the band’s better works, despite having one of their best and most-enduring singles in “Old Days.”

Almost everyone likes that nostalgic look back at things like Howdy Doody and drive-in movies written by their trumpeter James Pankow (although Pankow wasn’t a primary writer for Chicago, he did manage to write a good percentage of their best-loved songs including “Color My World” and “Searching So Long”). The rest of the songs were not as memorable. The first single, “Harry Truman”, was described as “depression-era jazz” like “Old Days” looking back nostalgically. On this single though they were pining for a president they could get behind, like Truman, rather than “lies from men who’d sell us out.” The frustration is understandable given that the album was recorded in summer ’74, with a backdrop of Watergate and Nixon’s resignation. The recording was done at Caribou Ranch again, with their favorite producer of the era, James Guercio being helped out by another famous producer, Phil Ramone, doing the mixing.

Guercio and Ramone combined couldn’t help make the material sound terribly exciting though. Allmusic later rated it only 2-stars,lowest of the band’s first dozen albums and suggesting that only “Old Days” and the mildly-adventurous, 7-minute “Thank You Great Spirit” were notable, suggesting too that Peter Cetera, singer on six of the tracks seemed “lazy.”

The public may have agreed. Although the album did hit #1 in the U.S. – their fourth straight – and #3 in Canada, and again went platinum in the States, it spent fewer weeks on the chart than any of the predecessors had, facilitating Chicago IX , a greatest hits compilation, only six months later. Remarkably, given how seldom it gets played on oldies radio, “Harry Truman” was a top 20 hit for them and “Old Days” made it to #5. That made it their 14th top 20 hit of the decade, a number at the time equaling another famous utilizer of Caribou Ranch… Elton John.

15 thoughts on “March 24 – Chicago Thought 8 Was A Cardinal Number?

  1. Badfinger (Max)

    I love this era of Chicago…you know Dave…thinking about it. I won’t compare them to Fleetwood Mac but…it’s almost as different. When Terry Kath died…and the 80s came along…they turned into more of a pop band and left the experimental stuff behind sadly. I maybe wrong because I didn’t listen to their albums but the hits were not the same at all.

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    1. Certainly they changed significantly in the 80s once there was no Kath & unlimited Cetera. I love almost all their 70s singles…I suspect they have a number of very good album tracks on first dozen or so albums but I’ve not heard most of them.

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  2. I guess it’s truly remarkable when you put out an album that seems to be largely forgettable and still hit number 1! Also, I thought Chicago named their albums after the number of years they existed as a band, but I might remember it incorrectly. Plus, both naming patterns lead to the same result when you issue an album each year.

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    1. seems like it was just sequential, eventually they stopped following the calendar quite so regularly but kept the numbering sequence. It’s not a bad way of doing things, though after 20 or 30 people are going to get confused thus you start hearing things like ‘the chocolate bar album’ or the ‘brick wall album’ based on cover designs.

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  3. This was mostly a forgettable album. Pete Cetera begged Jim Pankow to get rid of any references to Howdy Doody in “Old Days” because he couldn’t stand the show, but Pankow refused. Robert Lamm came up with “Harry Truman” after reading Merle Miller’s book Plain Speaking.

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    1. Well I’m glad Pankow kept with his lyrics, it’s a great song. ‘Harry Truman’ apparently did chart in Canada but I have no recollection of it at all from back then, and it doesn’t sound nearly as memorable as most of their previous singles. Any reason you’ve heard why they had a cardinal on the cover? I’m right, aren’t I, thinking the St Louis Cards are the ‘arch nemesis’ of the Chicago Cubs?

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      1. The cardinal is the state bird of Illinois, so that’s the best reason I can think of. And yes, the Cardinals are the archrivals of the Cubs, and they’re pretty much the only ones. I was watching old World Series films on YouTube yesterday, and was reminded that the National and American Leagues had quite a rivalry going, a lot of which seems to have been forgotten with interleague play. They were literally two completely separate organizations, and players from both leagues only played against each other during Spring Training, the All-Star Game, and the World Series. I miss that…

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      2. ahh, good point on it being the state bird – that makes sense. I can see pros and cons of Interleague play. If they expanded by two teams, with 32, they could run a full slate every day without having any . I don’t thoroughly hate it, but I think there are too many of those games right now.

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      3. Here’s what I’d do: Each league is two divisions of 8 teams each. Every team plays 14 games against teams in ther division and 8 games against teams in the other division. Top two teams in each division play each other, 1st place in one division plays 2nd place in the other. What might be a bonus: put the 8 original teams (where they’ve moved) in one division and all teams added since 1960 in the other. in the AL, that would be Red Sox, Yankees, Orioles, A’s, Guardians, Tigers, White Sox, and Twins. In the NL, the originals are Braves, Phillies, Pirates, Reds, Cubs, Giants, Dodgers, and Cardinals. Comments?

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      4. well the math works for the 162 games, and certainly it would be a lot easier with 16 per league (I’d look to expand to Nashville or Charlotte and either Portland or Vancouver, assuming Oakland move to Las Vegas)…I’d maybe go 4 divisions of 4, but two or 8 would work too. If only 1st & 2nd place teams make playoffs your scheduling might work but if there were Wild Cards, it would need to be more evened out (as they have at least tried to do in last couple of years) to prevent bad teams in weak divisions (aka, AL Central) making the playoffs over better teams due to in-division record.

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