Today we begin our third instalment of “Turntable Talk”, where we’re happy to have some fellow music fans and writers weigh in on music subjects. Hopefully you were able to take a look at our first couple of topics, Why we’re still talking about the Beatles, and then the Pros and Cons of Live Albums. Today, we start asking “Did Video Kill the Radio Star?” The Beatles began making music videos as early as about 1966, and Britain had a few TV shows featuring videos weekly in the ’70s but in the ’80s, the form took flight with the appearance of MTV and all-day videos in the U.S. Love ’em or hate ’em, they undeniably altered the music world as we knew it. So what are the thoughts on the music video? Today we have Max from Power Pop Blog giving his opinions:
For Dave’s question… how much did MTV change the music of the ’80s?
Video Killed the Radio Star… That was the first song played on MTV and it was pretty much dead accurate.
MTV changed music’s landscape. I was there when it launched, and I would stay up till 4 in the morning at a relative’s house because we didn’t have cable. Personally, I think it was a huge mixed blessing. When I listen to a song, I like to draw my own conclusions about what it’s about. You now had music videos that you couldn’t help but think of when you heard the songs on radio.
Some artists didn’t want to do videos for that reason. Bruce Springsteen was one of them. His first video was off the Nebraska album, and it didn’t even feature Bruce! When he did do videos, it usually was a live clip of him. He did make one for “Glory Days” that followed along with the song. The Replacements refused to do a regular music video and their career went down, but other artists gave in because they had to. Many were fun and they enjoyed it, so it worked for some artists.
I think it helped some artists greatly like Michael Jackson, Madonna, and Prince. Without MTV I don’t know if they would have been as big as they were. I have no doubt they would have been big but not as mega-huge. MTV helped push them over that line as well as others.
There are other artists like Duran Duran, Twisted Sister, Janet Jackson, Cyndi Lauper, Whitesnake, and others that I think owed a lot of their success to MTV.
Hair metal flourished during this time. They made videos that guys liked to watch…even if I didn’t like a particular song, I was going to watch the new Whitesnake video.
Who didn’t pass the looks test? We probably will never know. Would Janis Joplin have ever made it in the MTV generation? I seriously doubt it.
I’ve talked about image but…to be fair…image has always been important in pre-MTV rock… but now music videos put a group’s appearance under the microscope like never before. In some cases, the music alone was no longer enough. While it used to be that you needed the talent to back up the looks, in the MTV era it was often the other way around.
Chrissie Hynde had this to say about MTV: I grew up in the late sixties… You know, AM radio then went into FM radio. AM radio was coast to coast and it was very regional. Every city had its own radio station and its own playlist! When MTV came along it all got filtered into one thing. It had to go first through a video – often a soft-porn video, because some of the artists knew that sold – and that became sorta dance music, I guess.
It wasn’t rock n’ roll any more. If you look at videos that were made back then, they look silly now. The pomposity of it. You can smell the money that went into it.”
There is some truth in what she is saying. They did end up with homogenization of the music…especially guitar-driven rock and roll as it went along. Heavy metal, new wave, and dance-pop did well on MTV. Regular rock and roll? Not as much.
I think of the Dead Kennedys song “Get MTV Off The Air”
“How far will you go, how low will you stoop
To tranquilize our minds with your sugar-coated swill
You’ve turned rock and roll rebellion into Pat Boone sedation
Making sure nothing’s left to the imagination”
Lead singer Jello Biafra: “The way they were laying it down then was, ‘This is the way music is going to go. From now on, there is no point in even writing a song unless you know what it’s going to look like on TV.’”
As I said at the start. I have mixed feelings about MTV. Did I enjoy it? Oh yes, I did enjoy it. I was exposed to some music that I wouldn’t have otherwise. “Mexican Radio”, “Electric Avenue” , and so many more. I’m sure of one thing. If MTV would not have existed, music would have been completely different in the ’80s. It was and is a cultural landmark that will always be there.
MTV took a lot of power away from radio stations. Artists now went to MTV to play their video. One stop shopping to get their music to a mass audience. This was when radio stations were mostly local and knew the city, they were in. From Toronto, Thunder Bay, Nashville, Austin, and Grand Rapids… they knew their audience.
This is where radio learned from MTV. Today radio is big monopolies with pre-made playlists for everyone. Always happy to play the same songs over and over. We have lost a lot of the local flavor in radio and MTV wasn’t the only reason but it played it’s part.
I think they had good intentions going in but like a lot of organizations with good intentions…they may have attained too much power and that leads to…in this case The Real World and MTVWNM….(Music TeleVision with NO Music) .
Video Killed The Radio Star…indeed.
Thanks for weighing in, Max! A thoughtful writeup, and I agree with a lot of what you say. I too, at times had trouble with the idea of the visuals being dumped on us rather than letting us use our own imagination…then again, I find that’s a problem for me quite often when I watch a movie based on a book I read too. Certainly it put some artists into the stratosphere and just as likely held a few back in the 80s . I definitely agree with the idea that radio has lost its character and become homogenized since then, and you may be on to something with MTV adding to that, but I think conglomeration plays a very big role in that too … how many stations does I-heart own, for instance? Once the huge companies own stations everywhere, they tend to role out floorplans to make them all the same, just as if they were putting up big box stores. Anyways, it sure was something wasn’t it ? The young probably can’t comprehend how much the music videos shaped that decade.
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Yes! I have problems with movies after I read the book. They never can get the detail in a movie…it’s almost impossible.
Yea…radio could have changed regardless and probably would have but having MTV as one filter to go through had to influence some. They basically took that format and ran with it…or did MTV do it?
I do miss the local flavor now that we had back in the day on radio… but MTV…yea it changed the game.
I probably sounded negative but it wasn’t meant to…I enjoyed MTV but I guess not everything was positive.
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No worries, I was looking for opinions & not all were fans of MTV. It had it’s pros & cons. It’s true that it was different because suddenly ‘the whole country’s was seeing/ listening to the same thing coast to coast, so if you weren’t on MTV, less chance of breaking through in your own market & building on that. And it probably gave radio execs the idea that they could simplify & eliminate a lot of program mgr. positions by just sending out a playlist from head office, and in turn running syndicated DJs on every station they own.
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I did start getting tired of it after a while. I don’t know why…but to me it never suited just plain rock groups as much as hair metal, pop, and dance.
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funny, given how Deke points out it was really originated as a “rock music” channel. I saw both a pro and con to it back in the day, I’ll probably do a wrapup piece after all you guests have gone.
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Music videos worked for the artists and MTV but it was you watching someone elses interpretation, and that rarely aligned with what you had in mind. And some were just tosh.The Romantics ‘Talking In Your Sleep?’ Puhleeeeze!
(Yes, call me Mr Grumpy today…)
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Did you have any favorites?
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Yea I as grumpy also when I wrote it. The Romantics…the drummer with hair bigger than him.
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I don’t remember that one… but that also wasn’t a song I really liked, don’t know why, most of my friends and people that listened to the same music as me did.
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That’s What I Like About You is the song that I remember from them the most…it sounded like the sixties and ROCK in the USA
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I like your spin on Bruce’s video. Brilliant Disguise is one of my favs pf Bruce sitting in a kitchen strumming a 6 string and thats it…lol
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Sometimes simple worked well in video
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Yes…that is right! He really just sang it at the kitchen table live lol.
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Low overhead if anything ..lol
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with Springsteen, it was an artistic statement…with TPOH (remember the original of ‘I’m An Adult Now’… filmed on the street) it was a necessity… “hey, we got ten bucks to make the video and the VHS-C tape we need is going to cost eight of those dollars…”
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Yes that TPOH track down as great as was the video. Simple cheap yet effective
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Video fit the song too, kind of low-fi
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Totally Dave. It fit the vibe for sure. Love Junk is a killer album.
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it was indeed….one of the best Canadian debuts of that decade.
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‘Thriller’ at least told the story; But surprisingly few made a lasting impression, thinking back on it. Maybe I was cynical even then.
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Good write-up, Max. The conglomerates want the least amount of effort for the most amount of profit. MTV wasn’t about musical artistry. To me MTV is the pulp fiction of the music world. I’m glad you mentioned Madonna. I don’t think she would have been as big with the videos to go with the songs. She knew how to capitalize on the medium.
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Thanks Lisa…I hope I wasn’t too negative but it did change radio as well as the way we listened to music.
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You’re welcome, and I think you are telling your truth. I agree, it surely did have a major impact on music.
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Can’t argue that. Next to Michael Jackson she might have been the single most successful artist in terms of using video to her advantage.
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with = without
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I think your thoughtful post hit the nail on the head. MTV was a mixed blessing. It definitely helped artists like Cindy Lauper and Whitney Houston break through. I also boosted the careers of already established artists like Madonna, Michael Jackson and Prince.
But, given the emphasis on the visual, it also in some cases emphasized looks over substance. Also, in its early days, MTV pretty much was a white boys and girls club. Luckily, that changed as it went on.
BTW, I pretty much missed the entire MTV era, since my parents back in Germany didn’t have cable for the longest time. Essentially, my first exposure to music videos didn’t happen until early 1993 when I came to the U.S. as an exchange student. I ended up watching VH1, not MTV – primarily for their “Behind the Music” mini-documentaries, less music videos.
With all of that being said, there were some remarkable music videos. Apart from “Thriller”, which was really a mini-movie, I’m thinking of Genesis and the puppets of crooked politicians in “Land of Confusion” and the amazing integration of cartoons in a-ha’s “Hunting High And Low”.
I won’t reveal my favorite music video. For that you’ll have to read my take! 🙂
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Thanks Christian! I will tell you mine…I hope it’s not the same…which it couuld be but my favorite video was Tom Petty Don’t Come Around Here No More.
My favorite video of all time is the Beatles… Free As A Bird but I’m not sure that was ever on MTV.
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I didn’t know the Tom Petty video and just watched it – slightly creepy. In that regard, it reminds me of the video for “Last Dance With Mary Jane”.
Looks like the “Don’t Come Around Here No More” video caused quite some waves, including accusations it promoted cannibalism. Yes, it was a bit creepy, but that accusation was over the top!
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I had no clue it caused any trouble. Yea that is way over the top. It as a Alice in Wonderland theme…
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It’s interesting how folks can get up in arms and blow something out of proportion!
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Oh YES! We are living in an age where it happens a lot also.
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well that’s because there are so seldom BIG problems for society to face most of the time, (he says with tongue firmly in cheek)
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that was mostly what I remembered of it – the psychedelic look & references to Alice…
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I had same thought in my head- had to have a quick look to see if I was thinking of it or “Mary Jane’s Last Dance” (which is a great song)
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BTW, I came across this Yahoo Entertainment article, which provides a nice recap of the controversy around that video: https://www.yahoo.com/now/tom-pettys-crazy-controversial-dont-come-here-no-more-music-video-233754534.html
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Thanks! I never knew. I can’t believe it was seen as that! I remember watching it and loving the video…NOTHING out of the way though.
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I like that Petty video, might be his best one …the early Beatles videos like “Strawberry Fields” were very impressive in context of when they came out and the limited market for them at that particular time.
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Free As A Bird at the time was ahead of it’s time….yea I liked the Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields video.
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We look forward to that! YEs, I think if I was in the US at the time, I might have gradually shifted to VH1 compared to MTV, they had good docs and from what I’m told ended up playing the more conventional pop, soft rock, oldies videos as opposed to rap and dance that took over MTV. I remember that Genesis video- they were from some British satire show, weren’t they… kind of an adult and bitter version of the Muppet Show?
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MTV was my afternoon go to when I got home from school. Video releases became events in our house especially when Kiss unmasked. It shaped my musical taste for sure. Great post!
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It shaped a lot of people’s musical tastes. In some cases for the better, in some cases probably not. Kiss unmasked… there was a band that was made for the video world but hit the scene a decade too early… imagine how big and hyped they could have been if they debuted around ’83 with that makeup and costumes!
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I don’t know. The fact they debuted when they did and you couldn’t see them as much I think added to their mystique.
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probably some truth to that – they were already a bit overexposed in the 70s with the posters and books, if it had been in the MTV age and there were round the clock videos to go with them, people might have gotten tired of them much more quickly.
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100% agree, Max. It’s a real mixed bag when you look at who MTV helped and those who railed against it. Likes of Springsteen I’d say was strong enough to ride without it, but the more theatrical performers you mention like Madonna and Prince and now Lady Gaga etc … well, it was the making of them.
I’m like you – I prefer my own mind’s image of the band. Same with books -v- TV / Film. I steadfastly refuse to watch the dramatisations of Terry Pratchett books because I have a long standing image in my head of what al the characters loo like.
With music too, though some of the arty bands do produce great shots (Ultravox – ‘Vienna’ for example) I’d still err on the simple side of watching the band perform on stage.
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I seem to usually get just a bit bugged watching a movie made from a book I’ve read (and liked of course) since it seems like the characters or settings seldom come close to my mind’s eye for them. But they often do a good job, I must admit. Of course, the opposite is also true – if I see a movie and then read the book later, I can only picture the film actors and scenes when I read.
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